Ep. 83 - Building an Invisible Army and a Global Team while Juggling Time Zones and Kids with Michelle Reeves, Founder of The Accessory Junkie
Michelle Reeves is the co-founder and CEO of The Accessory Junkie, a mom of two and step-mom to one. During the Pandemic she moved her family from Portland, OR to Australia and is busy juggling time zones and the daily needs of a modern, global family while building her company.
In this episode we chat about
How working US hours in Australia (yes, 3am workdays) has actually made her a more present parent
Her personal journey from corporate to becoming a serial entrepreneur and the many lessons learned along the way
2 key things that kept her going in entrepreneurship even after kids
Her experience leaving her family for 4 months to participate in Techstars and tips for how was able to make it all work
The lessons her kids have learned from her pursuing her entrepreneurial dreams
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Ep. 83 - Michelle Reeves Transcript
Stephanie: Hello, and welcome back to mommy's on a call today. I'm excited to bring to you Michelle Reeves. She's the co-founder and CEO of the accessory junkie a mom of two and step-mom to one. Michelle is currently based in Australia, juggling time zones and the daily needs of a modern global family while building her company.
Welcome.
[00:01:14] Michelle: Thank you so much, Stephanie, it's great to chat with you today.
[00:01:17] Stephanie: Thank you. It's from coming all the way from Australia. It's really exciting to have international guests.
[00:01:23] Michelle: Oh, of course. That, that, that feels so fancy. I will say it is the future. It's already, we're a day ahead of it here. So I can tell you that the future.
Bright sunny and, uh, I think good things
[00:01:34] Stephanie: ahead. Amazing. So on that happy note, what is your biggest mom win of the week?
[00:01:39] Michelle: Oh, mom, the week I successfully have the hiding in zucchini and broccoli into chocolate cupcakes and brownies, and the kids are loving it now. They discovered it. They were actually okay with it.
So I feel like it was a win to have full transparency and disclosure.
[00:01:59] Stephanie: I was going to ask if you disclosed it first, because I know there's like that whole thing with you shouldn't hide veggies, but like, you should tell them, but if they don't know how so I'm, I'm always wondering, well, I might need that recipe because I do need to force more veggies onto my kids.
[00:02:14] Michelle: Absolutely. Yes. So give
[00:02:17] Stephanie: me a little bit of background about your family structure for the audience right now, just so they have a little context of where you're coming from. So, you know, how many kids, what's the relationship between you and your partner in terms of like work situation and just kind of family structure.
[00:02:34] Michelle: Absolutely. So we, we are, I mean, we were US-based, my children were born in the U S in New York city actually, which I love. Um, and then recently we moved and we're living in Portland, Oregon. I have two children, a six year old daughter, an eight year old son, and one incredible stepdaughter. She's about to turn 15.
And she is in San Antonio, Texas. We realized last year, like everyone, especially mothers that school at home was challenging. Work from home was challenging. And to have those collide, we also had the additional challenge where we thought we were so smart. We had our, our daughter was in French immersion school.
Our son was in Spanish immersion school. And all of a sudden as their new homeschool teacher, Feel like I was failing in pretty much all three languages. We realized we needed to do something to cost, correct. An impossible situation. And I think like all moms, we just get creative with our solutions and we, we have to think on the fly and create rapid change.
And so I was really fortunate. To have this extra card up my sleeve as an Australian citizen, to be able to suggest to my husband what Australian
[00:03:51] Stephanie: citizen, correct. He is an American citizen. And your kids. Do they have dual citizenship?
[00:03:57] Michelle: Uh, yes. Thanks. Okay. A few years prior, I got them dual citizenship.
Unfortunately we did not get dual citizenship, my stepdaughter. She did not qualify. So for our two children, we did. And I suggested why don't we try Australia first? And, uh, at first I thought, I think he thought I was crazy. About five days later, he realized that it was probably a good idea. So we put the plans in motion.
We came down here, my children, and I first, while he was waiting for a visa and it was actually a really unique experience because there was no COVID here at the time. Everything had been managed, I think, fairly well. And we had this re-entry into a whole new world, a whole new schedule. And he came and joined us five months later, which now tells you it was not just a short-term thing.
Uh, we're now eight months into this new life as a global family. Um, we wake up, gosh, like two, three o'clock in the morning to try to keep us hours. And it's a whole new world for us. So,
[00:04:57] Stephanie: do you wake your kids up too? Or is this just for you? Is this just your husband and your work schedule that you wake up that early?
I mean, what is your typical day look like since you are a US-based technically company and your husband was working for a US-based company, how did you do that? Like, weren't you exhausted by 6:00 PM Australian time? Like didn't you just want to go to bed, but you had your kids.
[00:05:19] Michelle: I think we were exhausted before.
So the transition here similar, but more efficient, you know, back in the U S we were realizing we were having to get up at three o'clock in the morning to get work in because at six, seven, the kids would wake up, but it was time to homeschool. So here we're doing the same thing, but it's, you know, 6 0 7.
We can help our kids get ready for school, and then they go to school and then we just can continue our day here. One of the greatest benefits we've seen in having this new structure is that by 2:00 PM, our time here, the us is in bed. Everyone's asleep, the Workday is done and you know, there's almost no way we could work.
Even if we tried, there's no one on email. There's no zoom call to be high. So by 2:00 PM here, we're both free and able to pick our kids up from school. We both go to swimming. We both go to soccer and tennis and all their activities. And now our children are seeing a side of us. They've never seen before when not attached to our phones.
We don't have to put them on pause. While we go and have a zoom call, we can be so fully present. And we've been talking about when we do go back to the U S how can we maintain that same structure? You know, this schedule is working so well that the kids are growing so beautifully. I think for us, this is the path forward.
A Workday is going to be. 3:00 AM to midday for as long as we can make that happen.
[00:06:49] Stephanie: Do you think that you will then go back to the U S and how was that transition for your children coming from all day? I mean, they probably, they visited Australia, I think you mentioned before, but they've never really lived in another country.
And so how was that transition for them? Just kind of picking them up, thinking they were going on, like. Two month trip to how you're living here, going to school here, make new friends, join new sports. Here's new in your new life. You know, how did
[00:07:16] Michelle: that go? I'm so impressed by how they reacted. They were so resilient.
They were up for the challenge. They really transitioned quite seamlessly. The irony today though, is while my son still sounds very American. My six year old daughter is wholly Australian. She's entirely taken on the accent. She corrects us. Now, when we say something that is American. Yeah. You know, I I'll ask her to go put something in the trash.
Yes, mommy, I'll go put your rubbish in the bin. So she's very happy the, uh, to adopt the local culture and idiosyncrasies here. Honestly, I think it's, it's a real Testament to how resilient, you know, we all know our kids can be and they were really put to them. They've made new friends, you know, even how they're taught at school is different, you know, going from everything in miles and inches, they're now doing math and homework in centimeters and kilos, and they've just really picked it up so well, I think the biggest challenge honestly, was more made.
I was born here, but I haven't lived really much of my adult life here. So here I am now a mom, two kids asking my own father to teach me how to drive on this side of the road. And how do I put gas in the car? Like everything is so nuanced in how different it is here that I had to really. Reload, a lot of things.
[00:08:42] Stephanie: I didn't even think about that, that you drive on the other side, when I went to New Zealand, I remember being like, where's the windshield wipers, where's the left turn, right. Turn signal. Cause they're opposite and everything. And so that is interesting as an adult, there's so much nuance in it. Are there any sort of things that you guys have adopted there that you really like.
Whether it is things that your kids are doing now that you want to bring back to the U S when you do come back besides your unique work schedule and the fact that you can just connect. Are there any things that you're like, wow, like they don't do that the same in the U S I really want to bring that back.
[00:09:17] Michelle: Yes. Nature is just so easy to access here. And I thought it was too in our lives, back in the U S but I realized now we hadn't really brought our family into nature as much as I would like to. And here, you know, they're, they're doing stuff lifesaving at the beach on the weekends. I mean, our, the, the house that we're in right now, Possums and cook a bar is and cockatoos constantly flying and coming into the balconies.
And they have this really beautiful curiosity for animals that I had never seen seeing them have before. So I think really keeping them. Connection to nature and animals alive will be a big part of, you know, going back to the U S for
[00:09:59] Stephanie: us, I was wondering about how you adapted. So you were saying, you know, the nuance of things, but also having a mom tribe is really important.
And having that support system. And while you got to move to a place where you had the support system of your family for maybe childcare and things like that, you lost the support system you had back in the U S of either entrepreneurs of other mommy, friends of, you know, your New York friends, your. How was it with that transition?
And what did you do to proactively make yourself feel like, you know, adapt better?
[00:10:32] Michelle: That is a great question because it does take a while to. Pull your tribe together as just a woman, but then also as a mom. And that has taken some time. I had my best friend when I was two. She was pretty much my only friend in coming back here, you know, so she and I have stayed close and I give her a lot of credit.
She really helped to soften the re-entry intimacy Australia and open a lot of doors to connect to people and meet other moms. But I think it's something that just takes time. Forced connections. You can't shortcut them to really build meaningful relationships. You have to build experiences. So I've been really active in just planning different events, activities to spend time with people as much as possible.
So whether it's having a Ty potty at our house, Or going hiking and doing walks, just really trying to immerse in activities with people so that we can get to know each other beyond just the school time pick up and kind of polite chit chat that you end up having
[00:11:36] Stephanie: that applies to. Anyway, when you are back in the U S regardless, if you joined a new school, you start, you know, kindergarten with new moms, you start middle school, you start high school, whatever that is.
How, you know, you get out there and trying to find your new mom tribe. Well, I want to kind of switched over to your work side. Tell me a little about what your pre mom life looked like.
[00:11:57] Michelle: Oh, pretty mom. Well, that was fun. Remember when we did the things like wash our hair on a regular basis and blow dry it amazing.
So, um, before becoming a mom, I've always been a business builder. I had 20 years in sports, read our retail and entertainment. Global brands. I'm obsessed with consumer behavior and I'd started my first company, a California wine company called David family about 12 years ago. And then more recently started the company that I spend most of my time on today, which is the accessory.
[00:12:33] Stephanie: I remember you telling me you started wine company. And I was like, excuse me, because before that you were doing something totally different and then you go into wines. And so you've been very entrepreneurial. What kind of sparked all of that. And what kind of pushed you forward to keep building new companies?
[00:12:51] Michelle: So I love to learn and I'm, I very much believe in that saying like, you know, if you're the smartest person in the room, you're absolutely in the wrong room. So I was living in San Francisco. I had a great career. I was working at IMG. Uh, we were doing incredible. Yeah, FIFA world's cup the Olympics, but the food and wine culture of California was so interesting.
And I personally was interested. So I went to the oldest wine store and one company in San Francisco and I said, look, can I please be an intern and work for free in exchange? Will you let me ask the dumb questions? Just so I can develop my palette and learn about wine. And they said, So for two years on the weekends or after work, I would go and work with them.
And I developed my palette and I realized I loved peanut butter. And I just couldn't wait another second to build something of my own in that space. And I love to reinvent things. So I created the world's first touch trademark for a leather label on wine, and we created our first vintage of a small production premium pinot from California.
And out there in the world at went and it sold out very quickly. So I did another vintage and another vintage and, and they kept growing. And then that eventually became my full-time focus. I left IMG and became full-time focused on David family wines. And then that bug really like, kind of took hold for what else could I build a create?
And so I helped some other women in business. Um, I became involved in a few other tech companies as advisors or as an investor, and then started the accessory junkie a few years ago. And I think that this company really marries my passion for travel the globe and retail consumer behavior, all in, in one, you know, exciting news.
[00:14:43] Stephanie: And during this journey, you also had two kids went along the journey. Did you have your kids? And what kept you going as an entrepreneur instead of taking a step back most entrepreneurs, you know, or they become moms and, you know, either they take a step back or they're like, oh, I'll just dabble here and there, but you kind of went full force and you started another company.
Kind of tell us a little bit about that because I know there's moms out there who like have these aspirations and who really want to, but just don't know exactly
[00:15:11] Michelle: how. Great. Uh, there's two things. The first blissful ignorance. I thought that I could just do it. Of course we are women. I was programmed to believe that.
Of course we are strong and it's in my DNA. I, of course I can take on one more thing. Of course I can do that. And of course it will succeed. So you need that kind of. Blissful mindset to even begin because then you don't see the workloads for what it truly is. You see it as a fun little challenge that I'm just going to conquer today and tomorrow and the next day.
And then you're happy to catch every curve ball that's thrown at you as you climb that mountain. That's it.
The second thing that you have to have is the invisible army. You can't do this alone. And when I say that it's more about all the. The infrastructure of emotional support that you need, because as any entrepreneur will tell you, those highs and lows really can be quite extreme.
And so to have your invisible army, whether it's your parents, your siblings, close friends, or other peers in the space to really help propel you along in the mind game, that is everything it's such, such a huge value to have that kind of mentorship with you supporting you.
[00:16:22] Stephanie: Who are your mentors right now?
Like what sort of, I guess, personal board of directors do you keep around you?
[00:16:28] Michelle: Absolutely. Some peers in the industry. I'm meeting women across all facets of my career. I feel like a thief. I'll definitely channel different parts of their company. Or gumption or energy as different things take shape in my, in my world.
You know, and if I need to go and present something, you know, there's one friend and one peer that comes to mind that I'll just channel her in a strength and confidence in that moment. So I think this collection over time of really strong women from different industries has served me really well. I think the other piece of it is we were selected as one of 10 companies last year to go through Techstars.
And that really, I think, catapulted the growth of that network because they just immersed you in, you know, in a, in a network. Brilliant people in tech, finance, marketing, leadership, executive development. And so in a very short period of time, that incubator really helped solidify. I think the next wave of mentors in my life.
[00:17:36] Stephanie: So I wanted to ask you about that because you know, offline, we talked about that you were in Techstars and my first response to that was, excuse me, you, you laugh, like, how did you do Techstars? Like in my head, I'm like, oh, they're a bunch of 20 year old, you know, tech bros who kind of go through that or, you know, they're young, but you had two kids and you did Techstars in another.
I mean, what did that conversation look like when you even apply? Did you talk to your husband and once you got accepted, how did that conversation go about you putting yourself first? Because I think a lot of us, I would love to do that, you know, but then I have that fear, like, oh, but I can't leave my kids or, oh, no.
Like maybe I'll just wait until they're older or, you know, we have all of these like limiting beliefs in our head. So how did, how did that conversation go in your head and then with the people that matter.
[00:18:23] Michelle: So it's absolutely the invisible army coming in full force for something like this. When we applied, I shared that with my parents and obviously my husband, you know, this is what's happening and their reactions immediately were fantastic.
Let's do everything we can to make sure. Happened for you when we were accepted, I felt like they were part of my personal executive team, just coming together and putting together a plan. All right. So you need to get an apartment in Boulder and we need to figure out a flat schedule so that you can be there when you need to be there.
And then have some times in the weekend that you can come back and see the family. And it was a really collective United effort to look at that full month window. And we just planned it out to. So the finest detail, I would go down Monday or Sunday nights and, you know, through Thursday spend all my time in Boulder and then Friday, mid morning, fly back to Portland and see the kids for the weekend.
And I noticed a couple of great things. My kids learned more from me being away and coming back than if I was just working at home for those five days, you know, they were. Excited to hear about what happened. Why, why had I gone somewhere and what, what have I done? So I would definitely implore any mom to look at the life lessons you can share with your children purely just by your absence.
You know, that they're going to have curiosity in what they can't see that you're doing. I also flipped kind of the, the conversation around sometimes about dads who are working versus stay at home moms, children love their dad, just as much, you know, the absence of their time in the office or away for work.
Doesn't change their relationship. That will apply to moms too. And if you have the opportunity to do something like this, I promise you, it will only make things stronger and richer for your children and the relationship that you have with them. And I think
[00:20:18] Stephanie: you said something too offline was that you were the most efficient person when you were doing this.
And you were like, because you had no, moms are just really that type of person, like moms know how to get stuff done.
[00:20:32] Michelle: Absolutely. So that was a dream. I felt like textiles for the most of our cohort. And you're right. They're mostly in their twenties single and able to, you know, move their team to Costa Rica on a whim.
If they decide to something that I just couldn't do. I think that their schedules felt really intense. Whereas as a mom working 24 7 squeezing in every micro minute to extract as much strategic value as possible, And you're always on call to know that I had a schedule and that I would have time to actually sleep and that I could go back to this studio apartment and it would be clean the way that I left it.
And that the snacks in the fridge were exactly as I had prepared them, I had never slept better. I didn't. I worked. Every day. I was so efficient with my time. I felt like this was a business retreat. It was a glorious experience. And I would see everybody else slamming down coffee and feeling frantic. And I would just glide through the office.
Good morning, everyone. And at 6 45 in the morning, I'm like, I've worked out for an hour. I've washed my hair and I blow dried it. I put on makeup today. It's, it's already off to a great start. I feel so productive. So it was mom training is the best training to manage and lead a company for sure
[00:21:52] Stephanie: Hands down.
Are there any rituals and stuff that you implemented during that time that you decided to keep moving for that you're like, wow, this really works. And so now that are in your everyday life,
[00:22:03] Michelle: Yes, dance. It sounds so crazy, but I had this studio apartment to myself and in the morning often it was snowing.
So if I couldn't go out for a run or a walk, I would just put on, um, Alexa crank on some hip hop or the top 50, and I would dance around the apartment and that became this vigorous exercise activity. And I've definitely taken that into. As we hit COVID um, because textiles, we were interrupted in the middle with COVID and I needed to work out at home during quarantine dance was a big part of that.
And then when I came to Australia, we also had to quarantine. So dancing in the government hotel room for two weeks, became something I did with the kids. And now here, even still today that I find. The healthiest way that I can maintain balance where in between zoom calls, I can grab that 10 minute dance moment.
I put on my AirPods. I go outside. I'm sure the neighbors think I'm crazy. And I just like pumped out a bunk dance. 19, 19, 1980s aerobics movie. And then come back to zoom and they have a nice little fresh glow. I love
[00:23:14] Stephanie: it. You're going to have to just start a tick talk just for like, you know, mom dances there.
[00:23:20] Michelle: Oh, okay. I've actually named a bunch of moons. There's the opportunity pickup. There's the obstacle throw away the founder high fives. I've got all the, all the corny moves.
[00:23:34] Stephanie: Or you should just teach a dance for entrepreneurs. There we go. That
[00:23:38] Michelle: works. That's next door. How I connected early on with the, with the young 20 year olds at Techstars. Um, I asked anybody if they wanted to take a hip hop class and almost the whole cohort was like, yes, let's do hip hop together. So in our second week, all.
Cardiograph to hip hop dance with a local professional down there. And it's one of my most favorite memories. And I think it's the one activity that really helped stop the connection of all the teams
[00:24:08] Stephanie: together. That's amazing. Now, do you bring that same dance stuff to the accessory junkie also team? Do you like go on zoom and you're like, all right, we're going to have a little dance dance morning break.
[00:24:19] Michelle: Well, I definitely have my shoulder down and everyone's, everyone's like Michelle, just calm down. Sometimes we'll do the one minute each. So if we're a team of six people, everyone gets one minute to tell the whole team what to do. So it could be a minute of jumping around pushups, dancing. Somebody try to incorporate a little physical activity from time to time.
[00:24:41] Stephanie: Nice. Well, being the CEO of now a global company, how has that going in terms of running a team? So you moved from us to Australia. So now you're running this team from abroad. How is that going? How have you structured things? What are any tips for people who, you know, have remote workers or are thinking of building out a team, especially post COVID, where we're all, not necessarily wanting to run back to an office, you know, any tips and stuff and advice on like what works.
[00:25:10] Michelle: Sure. First of all, it can be done and it can be done with so a unique benefits. We are six people and we are based in Washington, DC, Boulder, Colorado, Santa Barbara, Portland, and Australia. So we're managing a lot of times zones. We just hired somebody in Sydney. We're about to hire people in Mexico, city and London.
So we are, we will be fully global
[00:25:34] Stephanie: very soon. And I know a lot of your products are global too. So how does the logistics of all of that work?
[00:25:40] Michelle: I think it's the new way forward. I feel very grateful that we're building this company while the world reprogrammed itself. You know, we get to see what the new role rules look like in the new world.
And the idea that we can now hire a top talent, not just top talent in one market, it means our business can grow. So much faster. Um, you know, I think the unique difference there would be, you know, be very accommodating to anyone who's building out a global team, be very accommodating and be very upfront about what the schedule looks like for everyone understand now that people can work at different hours and their output can be greater.
And so really sinking up on, you know, when do you like to work versus somebody else and just making sure that everyone is heard so that you can find those. Intersections quite easily. I think making sure that you have one meeting a week that is just social. There's no agenda. Other than we pass the torch for somebody else to kind of host it and they can put out a theme, a question or a challenge, and it's purely 30 minutes of social.
Banta get to know you. Um, we've had people present ideas of if we could be anywhere in the world right now, where should we go? And you've got six minutes to go research. Then, and then come back and present, then we'll vote. And it just gives people different opportunities and to show different sides of their personality.
That's
[00:27:02] Stephanie: amazing. And then you run a company that's product based. And so I know like a service-based business, a lot of people are like, oh, we can work remotely and stuff, but your company is primarily product. How is that working? Being all in different locations, logistics and.
[00:27:20] Michelle: So the accessory junkie is curating fashion accessories from designers all over the world.
We work with over 400 designers from 2,600. And these are actually mostly women and people of color, just like us working from home or their home studio and the pieces they're making are beautiful. They're in small quantities, they're not mass producing and then selling them to all the big department stores.
They love working with us because we can then really curate and take the time and care with their production as they would like, we create a central hub through our Portland headquarters from which all the product ships to. And our team there manages from that point, the curation, the inspection, and then the customer fulfillment.
So as long as you have one central place that everything can go through, it's then dispersed and shipped out from there. How do you
[00:28:14] Stephanie: feel not being there in person to touch and see the jewelry?
[00:28:19] Michelle: I mean, personally, I miss it. I love trying it all on and having fun with it that way, but I'm so grateful again that because we're able to hire the best talent.
It's I, I'm almost very hands-off in that way because I know they've got it. I know with full expectation how they work, what they're doing, and likewise, they know that for me as well, and it allows them to run at full speed. Without being micromanaged and without any inefficiency in time and checking there, they're free to do their job.
[00:28:51] Stephanie: So what's next on the horizon for the accessory junkie,
[00:28:55] Michelle: exciting things. We have some collaborations coming up very soon. In fact, just in a few days, you know, I think we've got so much of this incredible content from around the world, and we haven't been able to share the stories of the designers or showcase the diversity of all the people that we work with.
And in the next few weeks, that will all come out. We'll be doing collaborations with trends, with men, with incredible women. And just showing that accessories are a tool to amplify who you are. It's not just a pretty fashion piece. It can really be this incredible statement about your own style or a sense of expression.
And as we come out of COVID and out of our living rooms and, you know, temporarily take off those sweatpants and pajamas, we can put on right. And vibrant colors and shapes that reflect a happier new wave that we're all about to get into.
[00:29:53] Stephanie: Yeah. And then do you involve your kids in the business at all now that you know the businesses at home?
[00:29:59] Michelle: I mean, I think they're involved because they're always walking past on zoom and look, we've definitely had a couple of kid tantrums in the background, you know, that's, I'm sure not uncommon for many women at home working on zoom, but they're, they hear me speak about it. And in fact, I hear my, my six year old daughter will be in the shower and I'll hear her.
Almost like she's rehearsing things that I've said, and she'll say things like I'm Camila rains and I am the CEO of the accessory junkie today. We're going to be looking at fall.
They're just things you would never pick up. You know, if I was in an office.
[00:30:41] Stephanie: Wow. Well, thank you so much for joining today. I wanted to wrap it up by asking my final question, which is what is your super power that you gained once you became a mom that makes you better at business? Oh,
[00:30:54] Michelle: absolutely. I can unstuck the dishwasher and negotiate a contract, help my son with his math homework and reply to email at the same time.
And you couldn't do that before. Definitely. Wasn't able to do that before. Did you teach
[00:31:07] Stephanie: any of the Techstars people how to do
[00:31:09] Michelle: that? I feel like we did, because we did have to do kitchen Judy and the other teams would get really upset during their kitchen duty day. Like it was a big obstacle and I was like, guys, come on, come, come, come be schooled by the moms.
We're going to show you what to do right now. That's right. Yeah. Well,
[00:31:26] Stephanie: where can we find you online? Uh,
[00:31:29] Michelle: we are at theaccessoryjunkie.com and we have so many wonderful pieces coming up and I will share my insider codes. You can all find something that you love just use Michelle20 “Michelle two oh”. Um, and you can, uh, purchase something that you find in love from around the world with 20%.
[00:31:49] Stephanie: Wow. Thank you. I had no idea you were gonna share that. So thank you. I'll put that in the show notes. I appreciate it. Well, thank you so much from joining all the way from Australia. I was wonderful to have you.
[00:31:59] Michelle: Thank you so much. It was great to talk with you, Stephanie.